Orange Tian – Pith-Free, and Strawberry Kiwi Tian

I don’t like orange marmalade. Apparently my fingers dislike it too because I continue to misspell ‘marmalade’ in this entry, and I’ve had to correct every spelling of it thus far. My aversion to marmalade started with one really bad experience, discussed further below, and a second ‘sour-face’ taste a few months ago has proved that nothing has changed.

So, when this month’s Daring Bakers challenge, Orange Tian, was announced, I was initially apprehensive, but the food lover in me persevered. Well, sort of.

The 2010 March Daring Baker’s challenge was hosted by Jennifer of Chocolate Shavings. She chose Orange Tian as the challenge for this month, a dessert based on a recipe from Alain Ducasse’s Cooking School in Paris.

So, the reason I’m ranting about orange marmalade is because it’s a component of Orange Tian, and we have to make it from scratch.

Blood Orange Tian

When it comes to orange marmalade, I always felt it was worth one more try, kind of like cilantro. I hated cilantro the first few times I tried it (soapy), and now I can’t get enough of the stuff.  But with marmalade, it’s the pith, and that’s where I put my foot down because the pith is what makes it so damn bitter. I don’t care how many times you boil and blanch the orange slices when making orange marmalade, it’s still bitter (to me, anyway). Many like marmalade, and with good reason, but my palate simply rebels against it.

The truth is, I don’t like anything jammed, jellied/gelled that’s orange, even orange pates de fruit, orange jelly slices, and/or anything that congeals with orange in it. I think it’s some strange, genetic malfunction since I love all other fruits (well, not grapefruit either, but I think it applies to all citrus fruits in general) in jelly or jam form, just not orange.

Let me clarify; I do like the flavor of orange in some desserts, just not slices or chunks of orange outside of a fruit salad or a peeled, fresh orange eaten out of hand.

Blood Orange Tian and homemade orange marmalade.

Now that I started this entry off on a bright, cheery note (sarcasm alert), I’ll explain the beginning of my aversion to orange marmalade, and I’ll try to make this as quick as possible.

City girl (me) moves to the suburbs with her family when she’s 9. Her life-long city Dad decides to buy a lawn mower and mow his first lawn. Unfamiliar with said lawn mower, he sticks his hand in running lawn mower when something jams.

Former city girl (me) is sitting on the porch around the corner at a new friend’s house. City mom and dad come speeding around the corner and stop short, telling me to tell my new friend’s father to watch over me and my sister until they get home. Cool, I get to hang out with my friend and have lunch there, although I’m a leeeeeeeeeettle concerned about the bloody towel wrapped around my father’s hand.

Alright, I’m already pushing the envelope here, so I’ll get to the point.  ‘I digress’ should be tattooed onto my forehead.

So, new friend’s father makes me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, but he makes it with crunchy peanut butter, which I don’t like, but no big deal, it’s still peanut butter; I can grind down the chopped peanut pieces with my teeth. What came next almost made me spit it out onto the plate. The jelly in the sandwich tasted like ‘poison’. Bitter to me as a kid was something I always described as tasting like poison. One more bite and I knew I was going to have to bail immediately.

The jelly was orange marmalade.

Peanut butter and orange marmalade?? This was peanut BITTER and jelly, and for a 9-year-old kid, no less? I felt so bad because he was a really nice man, and that’s what they liked on their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Unfortunately, my palate just wasn’t up to that level yet, and sadly, it was never going to get there.

By the way, Dad was okay, just a few stitches to set his fingertip back in place (it was hanging by a thread, so he lucked out that they were able to save it), although the nerves are now reversed. Touch the left side of his left pointer finger, and he feels it on the right side, and vice versa.

Homemade cookie and chocolate inserts for orange tian and strawberry kiwi tian.

On to the challenge.

Initially, I was going to nix the orange completely and just go with a strawberry-kiwi tian since I made a strawberry-kiwi jam (this was my first time making homemade jams and jellies, and boy did I go nuts. Canning is fun!), but after letting the idea marinate a while, plus the fact that a cardinal rule in Daring Bakers is to execute the challenge to the host’s requirements before running off the beaten path, I dove into orange marmalade land. I used blood and regular oranges in both the tian and marmalade, but as the title to this post says, I cut and scraped off all the pith and just used the zest, flesh and juice.

I have to admit, the marmalade caramelized nicely, and it tasted a hell of a lot better than marmalade with pith, but I liked it better warm than cooled and fully set, so I guess I’m still not a fan of orange marmalade.

Oh well, I tried.

Strawberry - Kiwi Tian with white chocolate macadamia crunch.


So, as mentioned above, I ended up making both an orange tian and a strawberry-kiwi tian. However, you can call them both, especially the strawberry kiwi tian, tian on steroids, because I decided to add a little extra texture and flavor by inserting a disk of chocolate feuilletine beneath the oranges in the orange tian, and a white chocolate feuilletine disk between the stabilized whipped cream and pastry cream in the strawberry kiwi tian.

To clarify, a dark chocolate almond praline feullitine disk underneath the supremed oranges for the orange tian, and a white chocolate macadamia praline feuillitine disk beneath the pastry cream underneath the slices of strawberry and kiwi. for the strawberry kiwi tian.

From now on, the feuilletine is NOT going to be placed beneath the fruit (notice that the feuilletine between the pastry and whipped cream in the strawberry-kiwi tian stays flat and solid, which is a good thing) because fruit on top of chocolate, well, orange supremes on top of chocolate, results in a drippy, sloppy mess after it sits a bit. My beautifully arranged topping of orange supremes started falling off the tian and oozing like it was zombie kibble. I had to try and fit them back together like a wet, slimy puzzle, ending up with a lumpy, bumpy messy tian, which you can see in the photos of the orange tian.

It still tasted good, though.

To continue..I folded fresh strawberry puree into the soon to be stabilized whipped cream for the strawberry kiwi tian, and fresh vanilla bean into the whipped cream for the orange tian. To make the strawberry-kiwi tian even more lard inducing, I added a layer of strawberry kiwi pastry cream underneath the fruit (just strawberry and kiwi puree, strained and reduced to a syrup, then folded/whisked into pastry cream).

Homemade Strawberry Kiwi Jam for a Strawberry Kiwi Tian with White Chocolate Macadamia Crunch

Speaking of orange supremes; I cannot supreme (segment between the membranes) an orange to save my life. It doesn’t matter how sharp the knife is; it’s a technique I simply cannot master. I never end up with perfect, pith-free half moons of orange, just ripped, pithy, sticky, jagged pieces of “I don’t what the eff that is”. Regardless, when you set horribly cut supremes of orange upside down and flat in the freezer, it miraculously looks as if you are the supreme master of supremes, IF you don’t slip a disk of chocolate underneath it.

Blood Orange Tian

Orange Tian Recipe

All in all, I really enjoyed this challenge. Thank you, Jen! For the master recipe for Orange Tian, click HERE.

So, after weeks of making all kinds of jams and jellies (still need to try a lingonberry jam because I love the stuff. IKEA and all that), I need to conquer pickles, namely those refrigerator dill pickles. When I do, you’ll see it here! Wish me luck!

Strawberry Kiwi Jam
Makes 4 half pint jars

1 cup peeled and chopped kiwi, crushed or pureed
1 cup hulled, chopped strawberries, crushed or pureed
2/3 cup fresh orange juice
1/3 cup lime juice
1 (1 3/4 ounce) package no sugar needed or light fruit pectin
2 cups sugar

1. Prepare boiling water canner. Wash and heat jars and lids in simmering water until ready for use. Do not boil. Set bands aside.

2. Combine kiwi, strawberries, orange juice and lime juice in a large saucepan. Gradually stir in pectin. Bring to a boil over high heat, stirring frequently. Add sugar and return to a full rolling boil that cannot be stirred down, stirring constantly. Boil hard for 1 minute, stirring constantly. Remove from heat. Skim off foam if necessary.

3. Carefully ladle hot jam into hot jars leaving 1/4 inch headspace. Wipe rim. Center lid on jar. Apply screw band until fit is tight.

4. Process in a boiling water canner for 10 minutes, adjusting for altitude. Remove jars and cool. Check lids for seal after 24 hours. Lid should not flex up and down when center is pressed.  If not using immediately or giving as gifts, store jars in a cool. dark place for up to one year.  Makes about 4 half pint jars.

Feuilletine Insert
Adapted from Flore from Florilege Gourmand.

3.5 oz (100g) milk or dark chocolate*
1 2/3 Tbsp (25g) butter
2 Tbsp (1 oz / 30g) praline (or bring 1/2 cup of sugar to an amber caramel and spread it on 1/2 cup almonds*  and grind until fine)
2.1oz (60g) paillette feuilletine or rice krispies or crushed corn flakes

1. Melt the chocolate and butter in a double boiler. Add the praline and the coarsely crushed lace crepes. Mix quickly to thoroughly coat with the chocolate. Spread on a parchment or silpat lined pan and chill until firm.

2. Cut into desired shapes to fit cookie cutter or molds. Refrigerate until ready to use.

*For the strawberry kiwi tian, replace the milk chocolate and almonds with white chocolate and macadamia nuts.

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72 Responses to Orange Tian – Pith-Free, and Strawberry Kiwi Tian

  1. Natalie says:

    Yummm your strawberry kiwi tian looks amazing i bet the flavours were so so good :). Your orange one looks great as well, shame you dont like the marmalade, im not really a fan either :(.

  2. Rosa says:

    I never liked orange marmalade….until I made Orange Tian ;-p! That marmalade is just perfect (not too bitter).

    I love your take on the recipe. Those tian are fabulous!



  3. chef_d says:

    I’m a recent (just this challenge) convert to orange marmalade, and I can understand your aversion to it. Your strawberry kiwi tian looks amazing! It’s so pretty with all those colors! And it looks yummy too!

  4. Laura says:

    Your versions look wonderful! I think I’d have been traumatized too if I had unsuspectingly been given a PB&J with marmalade…..

  5. bakingaddict says:

    Wow both of them look amazing! Thanks for sharing the story about your aversion to marmalade. I think I would have been the same way if I was served PB&marmalade! I have a friend that eats marmalade and cheese sandwiches all the time. I’ve never had the courage to try it.

  6. Sophie says:

    Hello my friend!

    You have done an outstanding job yet again!!! I am truly amazed by your culinary skills especially in baking & making stunning desserts!

    I prefer your kiwi & strawberry terrine!! Stunning & so colourful too!

    MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,….lovely & fab!!!!

  7. Veganpower says:

    Oh waouw, what’s amazing challenge :O ?
    Nice, very inventive, i like this !
    Your pictures are soooo beautiful ♥

  8. shaz says:

    Bravo Lisa. I really love the colour of the strawberry kiwi version. I’m not a marmalade fan either and I can’t say I’m converted. Love the sound of the added chocolate, yum!

  9. Zita says:

    Wow…all the shapes and the colours bet they taste amazing 🙂

  10. You have a brilliant idea there to do a tian on steroids! It’s just so darn cute!

  11. ap269 says:

    Both your tians are awesome, but I absolutely adore the strawberry kiwi one. It looks extremely yummy! Excellent job on the challenge!

  12. There u are ….i was so waiting for Lisa’s Orange Tian….coz i knew that i would be exposed to some super delicious good looking moments with loads of arty effects too ….and well i was wrong :-(((

    Coz u way way excelled that…..right from ur little Lisa story to ur combis to ur presentations :-))))
    But then u plating is always super arent it?

  13. You know last year,maybe around may ,if aint mistaken or before that:-))) ,when i didn know what blogs were and neither had one ,i was baking eclairs and wanted to improve my skills…
    i didn have a laptop then and used to browse on moms cell which was more with me than her :-))))
    And then this write up i came across ,totally not only completed my research and but ended it ….it was like my htoughts put across as well as combis that totally impressed me …
    I didn know what daring bakers was but i though the ”challenge” was something like iron chef and the amazing gurl writing this with super combis had to be genuis…and she didn like the PH recipe but loved her ”original” and the reasons she stated matched with mine :-))))
    I have lost that link but i think i found it again….i think it was u Lisa and i dont know why but am sure and am going to look around ur blog for that :-))))
    Am i right?

  14. Lisa–Fabulous job as always! Visually stunning and so creative in terms of flavor and construction. Both the orange and the strawberry kiwi tians look awesome. Great story, too, about the marmalade (I have a story, too, about strawberry jam and a horrible incident on Passover . . . but that is a long story . . .). I had issues with the marmalade and ended making a second batch with just the pulp (and no pith!)

  15. jfochek says:

    Your sugar work is absolutely gorgeous and your tians look delicious! Did you happen to use the “folk heart” cutter for your heart shapes? It’s one of my favorites.

    • lisamichele says:

      You bet I’s my favorite cutter, hands down.. perfectly demonstrated by three other Daring Bakers entries (Flourless Chocolate Cake, Vols-Au-Vents, and Dobus Torte) in which I used it! 🙂

  16. ingrid says:

    As soon as I saw your sugar curls my thoughts went straight to “asbestos fingers”. Hee-hee!

    As usual you did a wonderful job and went past what was required!

  17. Laura says:

    Beautiful work! Loved reading your story about the PBitterJ sandwich, I love marmalade but would not pair it with peanut butter at all!

  18. Jeanne says:

    Marmalade and PB does NOT sound good! I love your story! Next time I make marmalade (if there is a next time), I’ll definitely exclude the pith. It wasn’t terrible, but I wasn’t a huge fan of it in this dessert. Your tians look outstanding, and I love your commentary!

  19. Kiwi strawberry! GOR_GE_OUS my dear…looks AMAZNIG

  20. crumbsoflove says:

    They both look fabulous, and I bet the strawberry kiwi version tasted great

  21. Jamie says:

    One day we really have to sit down and share childhood stories! I can never imagine anyone eating peanut butter and bitter orange marmalade sandwich much less serve it to a kid! Ouch! And poor dad, I hope he was ok (it reminds me of the story of my dad and the hedge trimmer….) Your tian are stunning, pith or no pith (and I used to hate bitter orange marmalade but I have come to love it sometimes in some places and weirdly enough I couldn’t get mine bitter to save my life so I have a jar of boring, bland marmalade). Your blood oranges are GORGEOUS!!! and give that Tian a killer color – too sexy! And the strawberry kiwi tian is divine. Now I want to make this dessert again!

  22. Dan says:

    The orangetien looks outrageous. Would love to taste the strawberry kiwi my mouth is watering for it. Well done again your visualization and photos always turn out great!

  23. angelica says:

    Aww, sorry to hear that you weren’t a fan of the marmalade, and i can totally understand your disgust when he handed you a peanut bitter and jelly…. lol! But your tian came out beautiful, great job on the challenge!

  24. Natalie says:

    Oh.. I love the kiwi and strawberries one.. beautiful .. so colorful 🙂

  25. Jenny says:

    These look spectacular! I used to have an aversion to macaroni salad because of a bad babysitting situation growing up, but I finally started eating it again. Hehe.

  26. Sue says:

    WOW, I’m speechless(almost)…the Strawberry-kiwi is PHENOMENAL!!! It looks beautiful AND I’m sure it’s delicious! Amazing, as usual:)

  27. Shelley says:

    WOW. The strawberry-kiwi sounds and looks absolutely mouthwatering. And I am with you – I liked the marmalade warm and just-made better than when it was technically all set and done… but always good to try something new, right? Absolutely beautiful job with the challenge.

  28. Stephanie says:

    Your strawberry kiwi tian loos delicious! It makes me want to make my tian all over again just to try your combination!

  29. Mary says:

    Wow!!! Your tian are gorgeous–I can’t decide which I like more: the brightly-coloured strawberry kiwi one, or the orange chocolate one with the beautiful sugar curls. Amazing:) Glad your marmalade turned out, but too bad you still don’t like it. I think I’d be traumatised too, based on your story. Oh, and I can’t spell the ‘m’ word either–takes me 3 tries every time.

  30. Lori says:

    Lisa- you are a master! As usual a homerun- out of the ball park, up to the moon. Very delicious. Beautiful combinations. You always wow me.

  31. outoftheoven says:

    They all look unbelievably amazing!! Great job!

  32. Suz says:

    As ever I’m gobsmacked by your efforts. You always seem to come up with the most creative, most beautiful take on a challenge. That strawberry and kiwi fruit tian looks the stuff of dreams. Stunningly beautiful. All those extra components sound .. WOW.

    I enjoyed reading your post too. Glad your dad was okay! Marmalade and peanut butter does sound horrendous, but then I’m only just coming round to marmalade. I’m adjusting to the bitterness, but I’m might go pith-free next time, like you.

  33. mangiodasola says:

    The strawberry-kiwi tian is the pretties one I’ve seen so far. I didn’t participate (again) because this dessert didn’t appeal to me at all. Also, I knew how to make all of the components, so it wasn’t a challenge. Nevertheless, I like the fact that I can still see what you all have done. Your tians are so beautiful. I love the decorations on the orange one. You did a FANTASTIC job.

  34. Stephanie says:

    Your strawberry kiwi tian looks amazing! It makes me want to get up and try the whole thing over again just to try your flavor combination!

  35. Aparna says:

    You had me laughing at your mis-adventures with this challenge. NOt fair, I know, but then you shouldn’t write such funny posts! 🙂

    Your Tian looks good inspite of it all. The kiwi strawberry topped one loooks amaqzing.

    Btw, I’m one of those “weird” ones who likes peanut bitter sandwiches. LOL

  36. Katrina says:

    I don’t like how bitter orange marmalade is either. In fact, I just made an orange-semolina cake that had marmalade, but I didn’t want bits of orange-y pith in the cake, so I strained it!
    That said, your tians are beautiful and I love the look of your strawberry kiwi jam with the little black dots in it from the kiwi!

    Love your story about your disdain for orange marmalade, you always make me laugh!

  37. Meeta says:

    sensational take. i love coming here to see all the extravagant ideas you come up with and this is awesome! well done!

  38. Marcellina says:

    OMG your tians are amazing! I love the colours of the strawberry and kiwi fruit one on steriods!

  39. Beautiful job on this, it was a terribly involved recipe and you excelled yourself. They look amazing.
    I happen to love marmalade, but not with peanut butter… yuck.
    *kisses* HH

  40. MandyM says:

    The strawberry kiwi tian looks incredible! The colours are just gorgeous, awesome job Lisa!
    I actually prefer marmalade to jams, I find it less sweet, and thankfully I’ve never come across a bitter marmalade, but still, I avoid both, just too sweet for me.
    Unfortunately, I’ve had to sit out on this challenge for the first time, the new job kinda put a spanner in my cooking and baking works, lol.
    Lovely pics!

  41. Esther says:

    Good for you for trying the orange version and the strawberry one looks fantastic! I failed to do this months I’m afraid.

  42. Kim says:

    Wow, those both look absolutely gorgeous! I bet that strawberry kiwi tian tasted divine. Great job!

  43. I love your strawberry kiwi fruit tian. It is definitely the prettiest combination I have seen in this challenge. And you put such a great effort in it..

    Besides the look, I believe the taste is very good too…. Excellent!

    Sawadee from Bangkok,

  44. Esi says:

    So…when is your bakery opening? I can’t believe this is the first time I haven’t completed a challenge since I joined. I love your strawberry kiwi tian. Amazing

  45. Beautiful, Lisa. The strawberry kiwi looks so much like Spring, and the sugar curls make the orange tian so classy and gorgeous! I wasn’t a fan of marmalade either, but I did like the taste of the blood oranges.

  46. nameArlette says:

    A master piece my friend you rock…
    truely amazing Tians love the all the colors and flavours you used…
    very creative sugar curls … photos are awesome….

    you did an amazing job Lisa.

  47. Valerie says:

    Feuilletine – now why didn’t I think of that? Oh, wait, it’s because I have no idea how to make it. Or at least, I didn’t until you shared the recipe with us! Thank you!

    As usual, your post is entertainment incarnate, and your variations are spectacular! It all looks so refeshing and colourful! I actually did take part in this month’s challenge, but I posted very, very late…

  48. elle says:

    They are gorgeous! Great idea to add the feuilletines. Also the fresh vanilla bean for the orange tian. I grew up with orange marmalade on toast with tea…very Irish or something. Never tried the segmenting thing before, so that was the challenge part. Won’t be doing it again soon either…too time consuming… lol…like the rest is quick and easy. Guess I just don’t like the drippy juice.

  49. Jenni says:

    Beautiful job, as always! The strawberry kiwi looks fantastic – it reminds me of an ice cream sandwich for some reason! Great job!!

  50. Claire says:

    Wow…that strawberry kiwi version looks fantastic! I wasn’t a big fan of the marmalade either. I didn’t like the stuff in it…just make the texture too tough.

  51. TeenieCakes says:

    I enjoy your writing. You have very vivid memories associated with orange marmalade.

    Your orange and strawberry/kiwi tians look like works of art. Absolutely beautiful!

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  53. Both tians look fantastic! Very creative! I love the design! I am learning a lot from you and I love it! Merci!

  54. 5 Star Foodie says:

    Oh my goodness so gorgeous! I love the strawberry and kiwi combo, fabulous dessert!

  55. elra says:

    Lisa, this tians are so amazing. You are truly talented baker, and an artist as weill. Love those mix oranges and the the kiwi, wow astonishing! Well done Lisa!

  56. Jenny says:

    Very cool, I love the kiwi strawberry tian! I’d offer to help you with your supremes, since that is one thing I seem to have mastered, but I dont know your location!

  57. What a pair of delicious tians. Well done on this challenge Lisa. Amazing, as always. I love the kiwi and strawberry version, but I’m a massive fan of marmalade so was happy to go with the straight orange myself! 🙂

  58. Catherine says:

    Thank you so much for your nice comment on my orange tian post.
    Your Tians are unbelivable.. especially the stawberry-kiwi one… I can’t stop looking at your pictures.. such nice colors and shapes! Very tasty for the eyes!
    I’m glad I found out about your blog.. well thank to you ^-^ … will come back for sure!

  59. Funny, I’m not usually big on citrus desserts either but the Daring Bakers challenges are always so interesting that I can’t help but want some!

  60. Jenny Tan says:

    Ohhh…if there’s only one jam/jelly that I can have, it’d be marmalade! 😛 I LOVE marmalade…and my son too…but not my husband nor my daughter! 😛 Anyway, love your pics….the sugar curls…that’s amazing!! And the patter on your strawberry/kiwi tian looks so beautiful!

  61. All I can say is WOOOWOWOWOW. Standing ovation for you. I am dumbfounded at your “attempts”. What triumphs. I am like you with the orange in desserts, yet, just back from the Burough Market in London, I have tasted – for the first time in my life – outstandingly delicious marmalade. Still, didn’t buy any. What would I do with it? i don’t enjoy it enough to eat it on anything really.
    Your desserts are spectacular. I wish I was your neighbour… I wish I had a neighbour that would pop over for tastes and talks… like neighbourhoods used to be. Ah, well. Now I blog for my neighbourhood coffee.
    I will be back to this entry to make some of these goodies, without a doubt! YUM.

  62. linda says:

    Wow, your strawberry kiwi tian is so pretty and fibrant in colour! Excellent job on the challenge!
    Don’t like the bitterness of regular marmalade either but this marmalade was just delicious, especially used in other desserts.

  63. Megan says:

    I pretty much refuse to eat PB&J with anything but raspberry jam with seeds… and it must be on toast, not bread. 🙂 I would have been horrified to find orange marmalade on my sandwich as well. My mom really likes orange marmalade though, and I remember having it on buttered toast before and enjoying it. It’s not something I think to buy and keep in my house though… or make.

    I think your strawberry kiwi tian sounds wonderful and looks absolutely gorgeous!

  64. Another over-the-top great job on this challenge! Feel free to just send any marmalade you don’t want to eat my way.

  65. Jesus woman you really went to town with this one! Love the way you plated them!

  66. Jacque says:

    Wow, they all look incredible! Bonus points for you this month, plus I’ll throw in a gold star for good measure. Love the strawberry kiwi version.

    P.S. I have to say I agree with you 100% regarding orange marmalade, at least the store bought version. Yuck!

  67. Jessica says:

    Oh man, I just now am having time to really go back and read older DB posts and got to yours. I so was meh for this challenge cause I too hate marmalade. Never met one that didn’t leave that dry ugh feeling on my tongue from the bitterness. I ditched all the peel on mine as well. I love canning too! And I can’t believe I never thought to do a strawberry kiwi jam! It’s so pretty!

  68. Suzanne says:

    Lisa these look incredible, I wish I could have a bite of all of it!

  69. nicely done piece, saved this page, I will come back later.

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